[excerpt from 1986 interview between calvin trill and evan raymer]
"... my *look*, believe it or not, more and more began to resemble a sandbox of semi-random or time-warped ideas... a sand of forms... a *sand labyrinth*... or... even a classic sand mandala-face... as it were... if you will... maybe... not..." (pause) "...colored sand, you were sayin?" "not really, evan..." "not (really?) natural sand?" "no... *totally* natural, totally immersion-based sand..." "my 'look'... if it's even accurate to identify it by such a name any more... very slowly began to conform to other people's notion of what is sometimes referred to as *the good life*..." (pause) "you hanker after *the good life* on occasion then?" (pause) "naw... i got that completely out of my system during that year in new orleans..." "oh, I see..." "no, calvin... i don't (really?) think that you do..." "fair enough..." "i suppose... that's always been one of my ostensible strong points..." "who told you that?" "people." "which people?" "certain people down by the interstate overpass... anonymous network of swamps... semi-linked paths to oblivion..." "sand mandalas as in temporary, eventually blown/washed away by the elements?" "pretty much classically transient..." "crouched down low to the earth and the mud and all that?" (pause) "so low, in fact, that most people can't detect..." (wait) "...can't detect what?" "that the so-called look was in essence, or at its core, *coming apart at the seams*... at its spine..." *that sounds pretty serious...* "well, evan... what can i say? i'm a *relatively serious sculptor*..." "but you have your light-hearted side, too..." "that's just another part of being a relatively serious sculptor..." ("incredibly long pause") "people still go to disney movies in droves, do they not?" "evan... disney movies are *the bomb*..." "shoulda known that..." "yeah... shoulda kept that knowledge tucked away in the studio..." "not fair... not radical... not in step with *the good life*..." "f the ostensible good life, you lepton..." "ok... (pause) ...i will then..." "i will them to appear and make tears inside the mandala..." "you're a mind reader, calvin..." "yeah... that's always been one of my ostensible strong points..."
